Tuesday, November 22, 2005

I am Jack's catalyzing comments

In a comment on this post jackscolon provided me material for a post of my own. Thanks.

"I think the Democrats have largely achieved their point. I find it very unlikely that the United States will really undergo much in the way of militaristic foreign policy in the future short of an obvious state sponsored attack comparable to 9/11. What President isn't going to be gun-shy and realize that he has to meet a higher burden of proof before action?"

This comment begs two questions:

(1) Will presidents really be gun-shy about military action in the future because of Iraq, and therefore have to meet a higher burden of proof?
(2) Is this a good thing?

My short answer to the first question would be no, obviating the second question. But my no is not because I don't think the Iraq war will change the way we debate and embark upon armed conflicts; I think it will, and it's just too soon to say how. I think the answer is no because the United States is in a curious position: that of a permanent state of military readiness, with an economy dependent on military proceedings and hardware, and in possession of no-one-but-the-Joint-Chiefs-know how many military bases, compounds, and prisons abroad.

People overestimate the bellicosity of a George W. Bush and understimate it in a Bill Clinton. When the presidents who are traditionally seen as the most dovish were president, there were still wars fought, there were still military actions carried out, the defense dollars kept flowing, and we kept up intelligence and maintenance actions abroad. George W. Bush, two wars, and a pathetic response by the intellectually bankrupt and feeble Democratic party don't change ANY of that. IF, as I believe, there was manipulation and deception about intelligence during the build-up to the Iraq war, it was merely the latest example of an essential component of American foreign policy.

8 Comments:

At 9:39 PM, Blogger Jackscolon said...

"IF, as I believe, there was manipulation and deception about intelligence during the build-up to the Iraq war, it was merely the latest example of an essential component of American foreign policy."

What is the essential component here?

...and if hijiacking my comment threads will get you to post something new once in a while, go ahead. I'm not even mad...

 
At 9:41 PM, Blogger CharlesPeirce said...

Manipulation and deception about intelligence.

 
At 1:18 PM, Blogger Jackscolon said...

So you are saying manipulation and deception about intelligence is an essential part of American foreign policy?

..and if it is essential, why are you upset about it? I'm a bit lost as to how that ties into your point...

I, however, am for the closing of a substantial amount of overseas military installations, specifically in Europe. If they are so adamant that we aren't a benevolant superpower, then let them pay for their own defense...

 
At 9:09 PM, Blogger CharlesPeirce said...

I am saying that manipulation and intelligence are an essential part of an American foreign policy in the same way that propaganda is an essential part of the North Korean regime--I'm neither condemning nor commending it; just noting it to spark a discussion.

Our military bases in Germany, the 'istans and Japan defend no one. They're just an entrenched part of the world economy, and economic reasons keep them going.

 
At 6:59 PM, Blogger Barnabas18 said...

Interesting argument that our bases in Japan and the old Soviet Satellites are an essential part of the world economy. I'm interested in the evidence for this (theoretical will do...)

I don't understand, how is Japan's economy bolstered by our bases?

 
At 7:00 PM, Blogger Barnabas18 said...

Oh yeah, I've got a blog now..

ChristianKantianist.blogspot.com

 
At 10:18 AM, Blogger Jackscolon said...

"I don't understand, how is Japan's economy bolstered by our bases?"

US Government builds base, pays Japanese contractors.
US Government supplies base (food, whathaveyou) pays Japanese contractors.
US Government pays soldiers, soldiers buy Pokemon trading cards and prostitutes (you get the idea..)

 
At 10:37 AM, Blogger RedHurt said...

Evidence? The US Government is making money by leasing naval bases in Japan to the Chinese who once therein are able to freely surf the internet, for a small fee of course.

this is, of course, only theoretical evidence.

Also, I have nothing serious or beneficial to add to this post.

 

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